I think we're ready to start.
So hi everyone, and thank you
so much for joining us today for
this exciting webinar the silent disruption
in the legal market and how to capitalize on it.
I have AIex Hewitt, the Director for
Operation at vTestify and Tony Sirna,
legal strategy at Verbit.
I'm Michal nice to meet you.
I'm the Director of Marketing in Verbit and
I'm very excited to start this webinar.
So let's start. First I'll
tell you a little bit about the agenda.
First we will talk about introduction.
Then we'll move to what is
the silent problem facing the legal industry.
Then we're going to talk a little bit about what's
the solution that are available to solve the problem?
How can court reporting agencies and
law firm can mitigate this disruption?
Why technology is necessary but
the human factor is imperative?
The importance of riding on
the tech wave to scale your business?
Then at the end after Tony and Alex
will have finished their slide and discussions,
you can all send me questions.
I'll read them out loud,
and Tony or Alex can take the answers.
So we will have
a specific time for questions and answers.
During the webinar, you can send me
the questions or only hour at the end.
So let's start with Tony.
Michal, thank you very much.
I also want to say thank you to everybody joining
the webinar today, and a special
thank you to Alex Hewitt,
who worked with us on this presentation.
I wanted to cover
just a general couple of themes
that Alex and I will be touching upon today.
This presentation and much of its content,
really was a genesis from an article
published last month from the Wall Street Journal that
talked nationally about the ongoing changes
within the stenographic market or
court reporting market related
to a shortage of stenographers.
That really let Alex and I into
a discussion about the problem is real,
it's not going away anytime soon.
But there are options today available to
agencies, entity industry today,
to address that challenge but also
transition their business into the future.
So this was the impetus for this presentation.
A couple of the points you're going to
hear and we're going to reemphasize,
digital verbatim reporting is
a given and it is a proven method.
Digital audio recording
has been around for a long time.
It has been used in the legal industry
and it is proven now
as a viable way of capturing the record.
In addition to that, Alex will address some of
the emerging technologies that are filling the gap today,
and the shortages that we're facing.
One of the points that Alex and I
will make as well is that,
adoption to a digital strategy is critical to
scale in agencies business or to
meet the growing demand in the industry.
It also gives you the ability to take more control and
more operational control over the cost of the business.
In addition, and Alex and I agree, this is
a very important point because you might
hear differences in the market.
Stenographic reporting and
digital models do coexist today,
they do work together,
and they're not necessarily competitive to each other.
The most important thing to understand is that,
when we're applying tools such as artificial intelligence
or technology or the human intelligence,
it's still very much critical to court reporting.
So with that Alex, I knew there were
a couple of the points you wanted to add at this point.
So go ahead at this point.
Yeah thank you Tony. I would like to especially
thank Verbit for inviting me here today.
So what I'm going to be talking about is disruption.
So when you think of disruption,
you think of outsiders that
come into an industry and shake things up.
So obviously Netflix with TV or Uber with taxis,
but in the world of court reporting,
disruption is happening from inside out.
It's not coming from an outsider
like in other industries,
and the conditions are just
right for this market disruption.
So an analogy we like to use is that
the conditions are like a perfect storm.
Maybe you haven't been affected yet to see
that some cities are starting to feel it.
You know what's coming, the storm is on the horizon,
and maybe that's why some of you have
come here today to prepare.
Which is why later on,
I'm going to present some practical solutions that
court reporting agencies are
actually implementing today to get ready for the storm.
I'll pass back to Tony.
Thank you Alex. Next slide Michal.
Alex talked about a storm and
a natural disruption going on.
It is widely well known in the industry
that this is a real challenge happening.
If you read AAERT study in 2016,
they indicated a 30 percent drop
in the available reporters at that time.
In addition, according to
the Bureau of Labor Statistics and this was in
the Wall Street Journal article as well,
between 2015 and 2018,
there was an 18 percent decrease.
The problem with this number is that although
18 percent may not seem a lot at the time,
that number is going to compound and
grow over the next five years simply
because there's a lack of
available professionals coming into the industry,
to replace those who will be retiring
or getting out of the business.
In addition, there were a few schools
that are offering court reporting programs.
So the disruption that
Alex talks about is in fact a natural one.
So we just wanted to present this slide
just to provide some of the facts around that.
Okay, next slide. Alex?
Alex you're on mute.
My bad, sorry. So as I mentioned
before the conditions are like a perfect storm,
and they're just right for this market disruptions.
So what are these perfect conditions
that I'm going to be talking about?
So there's a huge problem
in the court reporting agency market
that it's being constrained
and capped by human resource constraints.
So we know that there's
a decline in stenographic based workforce,
one-fifth of the demographic based work force
is retired within 3-4 year time,
graduation rates are low, schools are closing,
and younger generation is just
not taking this on as a career path.
We know this, but another thing you
may know is that demand for
depositions has been steadily growing as
a result of e-discovery workflows.
So back in 2006,
there was a change to
the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure
that set the stage for the growth of e-discovery.
So specifically in regards to rule 26,
and what it did is it made electronically stored
information ESI be included
in a party's initial disclosures.
Now what that means is it put
eDiscovery front and center in the litigation process.
So prior to that,
it was more common for depositions to be
the starting point, then discovery followed.
But now it's reversed.
The discovery of documents leads to depositions,
and in fact more depositions as a result.
Now another condition is that,
historically antiquated technologies have
not been meeting the needs of this industry.
So tech adoption in legal is very slow,
which is why purpose-built tools for
the court reporting vertical have been slow to roll out.
So existing capture tools
were not sufficient because they were
not purpose-built or are extremely dated.
Now there's some cause for hope because
within the past 4-5 years,
we're starting to see the new technologies and workflows,
that court reporting agencies can
implement to meet client needs.
Thank you. So how do we address this challenge?
Alex and I had talked about what's
the best way to start addressing the shortage,
the industry's approaching it with technology.
We're calling it moving the digital,
and that is not to say,
that digital is new in the industry.
The legal industry has been using digital solutions,
digital workflows for quite some time now.
The difference is we're looking to
extend the digital perspective,
not just from the capture perspective,
but across the continuum of the court reporting workflow.
Everything from capture, through
transcription and the way it's delivered.
By doing that, there are models available today to
agencies that allowed them to find
more efficiencies and Alex will cover that.
But moving to digital is something already
recognized at both the federal and state level
and along with leading legal entities
as something that they're already doing and supporting.
For example by 2013,
the state in New Jersey already had
90 percent of its courts recording digitally.
So everybody recognizes it's been a progression,
it's an evolution and it will continue to
be so. Next slide, please.
The most important thing about
digital and this is something
Alex really wanted us to emphasize is,
that regardless of what the solution is or
method you take to court reporting,
whether you're doing remote depo or
you are doing onsite depo,
regardless of the tool you're going to use to capture it,
it's critically important that it still has
to meet the standards as it has been
met up until this point.
It has to be the guardian of the record,
it has to maintain high levels of accuracy.
What we're seeing is that
digital models are proving themselves of moving
those standards as referenced in
this recent Conference of State Court
of Administrators paper.
Well, it came out in 2009,
that digital recording does meet this goal.
So it's emerging, it's proving
itself, and it's being recognized
both at state and federal levels as
a viable solution for reporting.
Okay, next slide.
However, there's still misperceptions
out there about digital,
what technologies are available,
what technology can do in
comparison to available methods that are here today.
Some of those common themes
are accuracy, real-time readback,
the need for live readback,
which is absolutely correct and
vital, and reliability and availability.
At the accuracy level in fact,
both federal and state studies have shown,
that a transcript produced through
stenography and a transcript produced through
digital reporting or digital reporting
or verbatim methods are on parody
with each other and we provided it
AAERT certification to show that.
So those complaints with
accuracy are changing and as the industry is developing,
the models are a parody with each other.
In terms of real time readback,
we do know that remote real-time readback
has been around for a while.
There's options for digital
verbatim recording with readback.
So there are ways to address
that in the absence of having
a traditional stenographer in
the room and Alex will
talk about that as one of his methods.
In addition to that reliability and availability,
audio is currently used as
a backup to traditional reporting today.
Many courts now consider an audio verbatim recording as
the record until or verbatim
as the official record until a transcript is produced.
As with technology, it's readily available.
The recordings can be made readily
available and the transcripts turned around quicker.
Just to provide a point in my home state of Connecticut,
the court system there is evaluating whether or
not to allow the digital trial recordings
or hearing recordings,
which they're already doing to just be posted and made
available for the litigants
to then go ahead and transcribe.
There's a lot to work out with that,
there's some concerns around that,
but that's where they want to head and they're
being driven by a couple of factors.
One of which is shortage,
the other which is demand for faster turnaround times,
but it is readily accessible.
So while digital is
an alternative solution and a viable one,
there are some misperceptions about it,
but those misperceptions have been easily addressed.
Okay, next slide.
Just another point I wanted to make
on misperceptions because this
applies specifically to Verbit because we
do use artificial intelligence and ASR.
Artificial and human intelligence
are intrinsically connected.
If you read that Wall Street Journal article,
they leave off simply saying that,
tool such as Siri and Alexa can't possibly
compete with having a stenographer
for someone in the courtroom and you know what?
They're absolutely right.
At this stage of the game,
the technology is still emerging,
although it's improving quick and drastically.
But what both Alex's company and
I agree with is that we're not proposing that.
The Wall Street Journal article
basically leaves you no other option.
The technology is not good enough,
therefore what's your other choice.
Well, in fact there are other choices and it's
combining the artificial layer
with the human intelligence.
Very simply put the artificial layer
gets you to scale very quickly.
It can transcribe rough rough drafts very quickly.
An hour audio can take 10 minutes to produce.
It can do things like, reduce background,
noise and echo using its algorithms.
This is important for reducing inaudibles.
It can distinguish accidents now in
dialogues again, and dialects
very important in a legal proceeding.
It can differentiate speakers and it recognizes
very specific legal terms,
very similar to what's happening in the medical industry,
with the medical industry is moving very strongly
to ASR and AI for its own transcription.
The other side of that coin is the human intelligence.
At the end of the day,
you still need that human,
you still need that human to listen,
to make the changes and to
bring that transcript to perfection,
and even our own head of
data science brings us point out in the next slide.
Elisha Rosensweig is head of data science for us and he
recently published this on our blog,
but basically he stipulates that there are
just some things we humans do instinctively better
than the machines an absolute given.
So at this point it is artificial with human.
It's not artificial only,
but it's using the technology to
accelerate and perfect the process.
Okay, next slide.
At this point I'm going to turn it over to
Alex and what Alex is going to talk
about are three particular methods that can help you
overcome the disruption and
to start adopting with the technology.
So Alex it's all yours. Thank you.
Thank you so much Tony.
So we're going to be presenting
three methods and practical solutions that
agencies are actually implementing
today to overcome the disruption.
These conditions for the perfect storm.
So one, we'll talk about how connecting
stenographers remotely allows you
to service more depositions in a day.
Two, we'll talk about how
digital reporters help solve
the human resource constraints.
Three, we'll talk about how
the introduction of artificial intelligence
speech-to-text editor systems say that
three times fast are changing the game.
So together, these three methods represent what I'll
refer throughout the webinar as the digital continuum.
In other words, it's
a slow and steady progression
towards digital court reporting.
So this moves us to our first method,
which is the remote stenographer method.
So just for a moment,
I'd like you to imagine
the average day of a stenographer in a major city.
So the deposition is at 10:00 AM.
It's a half-day deposition,
you know you got to get there half-hour early
before and you're fighting your way through traffic.
It just so happens to be on
14th floor of a glitzy law firm
in the middle of downtown,
and you are snaking your way up along parking deck.
The deposition ends up running a little bit long,
they took a lunch break and your agency
wants you to go to another deposition across town,
but you quickly realize
that you're not going to be able to make it.
So one method that agencies are
adopting today is the remote stenographer method.
This is the use of a video conferencing tool
to remotely connect your stenographer
to the deposition room.
So this scenario is most
commonly used with fully remote parties,
but it is certainly possible with same room depositions.
It's beginning to be adopted more and more.
So the goal with this method is to
enable your stenographers to service
more depositions in a day than they
otherwise would be able to if they
had to physically travel there.
So your stenographers sits at
a central location or
even in the comfort of their own home,
you wear headphones to listen carefully into the parties
and there are actually
better tools now to make this method a reality.
So with video conferencing tools,
that are purpose-built for
depositions with the needs of legal,
actually built into the product,
this method is becoming more reliable.
So one of the major advances that has been developed
recently is the concept of remote source redundancy.
So a major problem that every transcriptionist that
works off of a recording knows about is,
that transcribing through cross talk can
be extremely difficult if not impossible.
Now with remote depositions,
two independent audio channels can be isolated during
a cross talk situation to distinguish who is saying what.
Beyond that there are now redundancies
systems for your remote feeds,
that make this more compelling to risk averse attorneys.
So with improved video conferencing tools,
purpose-built for depositions with
this new remote source redundancy, it
allows for effective scoping.
So this method is really
getting a lot of steam in the industry,
which moves us to our next method.
So the next stop down
our digital continuum involves the introduction of
a digital reporter to capture depositions while
your stenographer transcribes at
home after the deposition.
So a digital reporter is
a trained operator of
audio and video recording equipment,
who can capture depositions
without having to deploy a stenographer in the field.
So the digital reporter administers the oath,
takes copious notes, and ensures that nothing is lost.
Now, the difference that this method makes
is that digital reporters are easier to train,
usually in less than a month,
whereas the stenographer may take up
to two years to become proficient in their trade.
Because you can deploy more resources
to capture more depositions,
it allows you to meet demands and control costs.
So this is the first instance of separation of labor,
separating the capture of
the deposition from the production of the transcript,
and that's a theme that we'll hit
on throughout this webinar.
So the benefit is that now
your stenographer can stay focused.
Ultimately, this allows them to be more
productive because they can
work from the comfort of their own home,
focusing on transcripts instead of traffic.
So digital reporting is beginning
to gain industry acceptance and with
specialized training programs and
certifications within organizations such as the AAERT,
as Tony mentioned before,
there's now a new-found level of trust that this method
can reliably capture the record.
So now we move on to our final method,
which is the digital reporter method
with AI speech-to-text editor system.
So this method builds off of
the previous method and represents
the bleeding edge of the digital continuum.
So in terms of the history of court reporting,
it has only been around for a very short period of time,
but it is showing tremendous promise.
So as Tony mentioned before,
it is completely valid to argue that AI tools in
speech-to-text will never be good
enough to fully replace a human transcriptionist,
and that is true for the foreseeable future.
But this method is achievable today
because it involves human scopist and an editor system.
Now, the editor system is crucial.
With it being cloud-based,
you can have multiple scopists
working on the same transcript at
the same time allowing for
separation and specialization of labor.
So this method is slowly gaining adoption,
especially with early adopter law firms and
what we call below-the-line cases.
So these are cases that have low dollar amounts at
stake in which an attorney wants to control costs.
So in fact, we recommend
attorneys begin to get more familiar
with this method through below
the line cases and then build up
trust to where they would
implement it to above-the-line cases.
An extension of this method is that,
in some situations, you don't
even need a digital reporter,
you just bring in your friendly notary
to administer the oath,
use a purpose-built capture system,
and then you can send your transcript
off to be generated after the fact.
Moving on to the next slide,
as we led you down
the digital continuum and discussed
actual methods that agencies are implementing today,
these represent what we like to
call unbundling the workflow,
which means separating the capture of
the deposition from the production of the transcript.
So historically, capture equals transcript.
So a stenographer is
transcribing while the testimony is being given.
This method is still the predominant means
of capturing depositions today.
But with the steady decline
in stenographic-based workforce,
this method is becoming more difficult to
service as we see more retirements.
So what we've been driving in
this presentation is this unbundled workflow.
You have your digitally captured deposition, transcript
being produced after and then delivered to your client.
When you unbundle the workflow,
you enable separation and specialization of labor.
So separation specialization was
pioneered by Henry Ford in
his Model T over a century ago,
but the concept still applies today.
When you add in the collaboration of
human and artificial intelligence,
as Tony talked about,
separation and specialization of
labor and the three methods down the digital continuum,
as we've discussed, this
paves the way for digital in court reporting.
The final point I'll make on this slide is that,
one of the most important lessons
a court reporter is taught is that,
we must be the guardian of the record.
That preserving testimonial evidence
is an important duty,
if not crucial, to a sustainable justice system.
So these digital methods represent
an opportunity to demonstrate
how we can be just as reliable of a record
moving into the 21st century. I'll pass it back to Tony.
Alex, thank you. Just one point, Alex,
you and I were talking about in the previous slide,
is that while you get the specialization
across the three pieces of the work for all the capture,
the transcription, and the delivery of the transcript,
it doesn't mean you're losing
accuracy across a transcript because of
the utilization of technology
and workflow and various system roles,
which is getting a little deeper
than perhaps we want to go,
to ensure we keep things consistent such
as speaker entity IDs, correct spelling.
So there's a number of technologies
out there today that allow you to
specialize without losing that quality
and consistency across the transcript.
So Alex, while we were on that,
there's a great question
that you and I talked about which is,
what does this industry look like five years from now?
What makes it successful industry?
Given that we know there's a definitive shortage,
it's national now, it was in the Wall Street Journal.
We know digital is a proven model,
we know digital verbatim is a proven model,
and there are new emerging models or methods out
there today to help agencies with their efficiency,
gain better control of their operations
and deliver the same high-quality product
that we have out there.
What do you see as
a successful agency five years from now,
and given that you yourselves are
building these models out for your own customers,
what recommendations would you give them
on how to proceed and how to start taking
this journey more to a digital approach
into some of the models you recommended before?
Absolutely. Thank you Tony.
So a successful agency and
really all successful businesses in general,
listen to the needs of their client
while slowly rolling out incremental innovation.
So innovation that is forced on users
too fast is often met with derision,
so what we've hoped we've laid out with
our digital continuum can be
a practical step-by-step guide,
that there's incremental steps you can take to solve
your problems while also making
your clients happy at the same time.
It's also important to understand where
your clients fall along the adoption curve.
So are they techies or early adopters
or are they late adopters or laggards of new technology?
We actually draw a lot of parallels of
this adoption curve to TAR or technology assisted review.
So looking at TAR,
just 10 years ago,
you had a slow adoption and
now it's ubiquitous and reliable.
So once tech in
the e-discovery world began to be implemented,
it was a slow burn for a long time.
So only the bravest of
the brave law firms were out there using TAR.
But then the test came back and snowball began to roll,
once the snowball began to be pushed down the mountain,
everybody jumped on board.
So you go to any law firm and 90 plus percent of
firms are using TAR in some form or another.
So at the same time,
technology assisted review did
not replace human eye review.
Humans still jump in,
still look at the papers themselves,
still review the documents.
But with TAR, it boils it down, "Hey,
I want to look at these 17 things
instead of 1,700 things."
So it saves time and saves money.
We're seeing very similar parallels
here in the digital deposition era,
with a focus on
collaboration of human and artificial intelligence.
So really, to summarize,
a successful agency understands their clients
needs while taking incremental leaps towards progress.
The progress starts to snowball,
more people start to take notice,
eventually you start to see progress.
Alex, thank you very much and thank you very much
for the insight you provided and also,
to all the attendees to the webinar,
thank you for your time.
Michal, I'll turn it over to you now for the Q&A.
All right. I was trying to get it back in.
So thank you so much Alex and Tony,
it was a very interesting webinar.
Now it's time for questions.
So by all means, anyone with any question they want to
ask Alex or Tony, this is the time.
So I can start with the first question.
So in many states,
the Rule 30 requirements call for
stenographic means requiring any method
of creating the record to be: a.
Agreed upon by the parties and; b.
Approved by the court.
I'm not sure what is the question here,
but Alex, do you want to take it?
I can take that. So generally,
what we've found is that states fall into two buckets.
So there are state law and then federal obviously.
Some states only require a notice where you
would notice to the parties with
a certain amount of days beforehand that,
we will be capturing this with non-stenographic means.
Then some states then fall
under a stipulation requirement,
and that is certainly a challenge that
this industry is facing and has to overcome.
That's why we'll recommend
starting with low dollar amounts,
where you want to control cost,
look at who are the early adopters of
these methods and they're
more likely to agree to those stipulations.
Tony, anything else you want to add here?
No. Alex did it very well, thank you.
All right. Perfect. So we move to the next question.
Quality of machine transcription from
voice-to-text obviously depends on
the quality of the microphone,
the channel, and compression technology.
What is the recommended specification for
recording equipment in a courtroom?
Tony, do you want to take this one?
Yeah. Specifically on the types of technology to record,
we work with any number of
solutions out there today that are being used.
You have CourtSmart, For the Record, DCR technologies.
So we're on the recipient end of that.
But any of the major industry providers
such as jobs in
the trial are providing very high levels of quality.
But what we can do is, if
Michal can get your name or number,
we can provide some more specifics to you on that.
Next question. Where do you find these copies
and how are they certified?
Do you provide verified transcript
that meet all state's requirement?
We'll split this up into two
because vTestify uses
our service and they provide
their own court reporting with certification.
Verbit itself doesn't do
the certification of the transcript itself.
What we're doing is we're taking on the production work.
Once that audio or video is captured,
it's uploaded to us and then we
will transcribe it and provide you with
a very specific template
for the type of proceeding trial deposition,
or in the court that you're using at that level.
Alex, anything you want to add on your end?
Right. So talking about certifications,
there's a lot to unpack there.
So there's many things that a person,
or the notary or deposition officer
or digital reporter, whoever's
there to actually capture the deposition,
there's many things that they're actually certifying.
So they're certifying that they check their ID,
that they personally appeared before them,
that they administered the oath.
Then in terms of the transcript,
there are different bodies of rules
such as the governing organizations such as the AAERT,
that give us a little more credibility in terms
of certifying the accuracy of the transcript.
So really built into
the federal rules in
different state rules is also the errata system,
where you have the right to
review the transcript to mark any changes.
Then it's within
that stipulation agreement between the parties,
that we're starting to see acceptance of this.
Okay. Great. We move to the next question.
One second. What are the accuracy levels
like at the moment for STT,
does it get better than SIRI?
I'll let you Tony to take this maybe?
Yeah. By speech text recognition,
we're getting accuracy rates of 90 percent.
One of the things about adding an AI Level
to ASR is it's a learning model,
so the algorithms improve.
So we're seeing rates around 90 percent,
and if you want to follow up with us we
can talk to you further about that,
or we can provide further specifics on that.
Alex, anything you want to add here?
Yeah. We're also seeing very high accuracy rates.
But as we mentioned,
it's not perfect and we recognize it's not perfect.
It's the introduction of
the editor system that makes the difference.
It allows human scopist to go in and perfect it,
and that's what makes this model credible.
When using AI to transcribe,
what's the best way to get the text formatted
into a typical deposition transcript look? Tony?
I'm sorry Michal. There was a breakup there.
I'll read it once again.
When using AI to transcribe,
what's the best way to get the text
formatted into a typical deposition transcript look?
Okay. So the text will come out of the ASR.
It'll go through with scoping level,
and from that point,
it would be exported in template format.
Either it could be TXT or DAS.
From there, you can continue doing
some additional production work,
adding exhibits and things of that level.
I hope that answered the question.
The next question. Any openings for scopist?
How do you train a digital reporter?
Alex, you want to cover that, because you
are working on the capture side.
Sure yes. So there are
different levels of digital reporters.
As I mentioned the AAERT
has digital reporter training program.
Generally, we'll go through rigorous processes where we're
going to talk about how to use the capture equipment,
depending if they're using
specialized audio or video capture tools.
We go through the whole entire process,
introducing them to the deposition workflow,
going in depth with scripts,
with really the whole process that is involved.
What we found actually is that many attorneys,
they'll comment and say,
"The only difference that
I noticed was that no one was
actually typing on a stenotype machine.
It felt like a typical deposition flow,
and that's really the only difference that I noticed."
What is the next major uplift in
technology going to be for speech to text,
or is it a slow process of seeing
this agent continue their learning
and improving their accuracy?
Well, that's a big question.
I'm not ASR individual.
I think what we're going to see with ASR,
AI is the algorithms learn,
the algorithms get better.
The more you have in there, the better it goes.
I can only point to what's happened on the medical side,
came out to healthcare a number years ago,
but what you're starting to see
happen in the medical industry,
and its utilization of ASR and AI.
We have a very complicated lexicon,
a complicated dictionary.
So it's going to continue to grow.
Unfortunately, I know I'm not qualified
enough I think to talk to the specifics of that.
But Alex, maybe you want to input.
Sure, and I'm also not
quite an expert in or a developer in that sense.
But what I do know is that a lot of
where this race is going toward, is speaker diarisation.
So where audio comes from one source,
but the computer is able to distinguish who was speaking,
and transcribed where it
automatically separates the speakers.
That's where a lot of
the research money is being pumped into right now,
and really represents the bleeding edge
that it's not here yet,
but there's a lot of work
being done to make that a possibility.
Okay. To the next question.
So a local reporter must
certify the transcript and reprove?
Alex, you want to talk about the way you're doing it?
Sure, yes. So the digital reporter is the person who
we call generally the deposition officer
as it's referred to in your local rules.
They will personally go through,
or sometimes they will personally do it,
or the transcriptionist will perfect that transcript.
So there's different layers of
certification that goes through here.
They're perfecting that transcript beforehand,
then certifying the accuracy afterwards.
There's also a whole bunch of
other things that they're certifying as I
mentioned that they administer
the oath that they are who they say they are,
and those actually vary by state.
But by reprove, I think
maybe you're referring to the errata process
where you're submitting that transcript
to the witness or their attorney.
They have the ability to mark any changes,
and then sign it in some states they have
to notarize it and then return to us,
and then it's submitted to the noticing party.
Okay. Let's move to the next question.
How are certifications done of
non-standard transcript in Texas
with your existing clients,
if the court reporter is not attending?
So this is through
that stipulation process that we talked about.
It requires a stipulation
expressed between both of
the parties to make that a possibility,
which is why we again,
talk about why this is good for early adopter law firms
or firms that want to try and control costs.
So the first two methods
actually do include a stenographer.
But within that third bleeding edge method,
it will often require a stipulation.
All right. The next question,
two of your options of creating
a digital transcript involved a remote stenographer,
what about the shortage?
Absolutely. So what we're hoping to get
with this digital continuum
is that the progress toward the bleeding edge method,
will often be slow.
So the first two represent incremental steps
that help you get toward that last bleeding edge model.
All right. Another question is
I'm finding that my scopist are taking for a time
longer to scope a deposition that was
transcribed with AI versus conditional deposition.
Does Verbit format the transcription
in a typical Q&A format,
or do we have to add the formatting to
make it look more like a traditional transcript?
Yeah, great question. We actually as part of our product,
we actually format in transcript format,
and that's by state and it's by what
we will call a profile or type of proceeding,
so deposition, hearing trial, examination under oath.
So we develop those formats and you can
apply that export template or format to any job,
so that's any follow-up loaded for that specific job.
Okay. Last question.
Can I use my own scopist with
your software to production in [inaudible] ?
This is what Alex was getting too
before about using the editing tool.
But we do have
essentially as part of the platform an editing tool.
Once we finish that,
the transcript now I'll put it after the ASR and it
goes through our levels of human interaction.
You can then also go on
and do some tweaks and modifications.
You can look at inaudibles.
So we do provide the editing capability online as well.
Once you make those changes,
you can then export,
in order to export in
your particular proceeding template.
Okay. Great. All, thank
you so much for joining us for this webinar.
All of the rest of the questions that
were asked and we did not had time to reply,
we will send a link with the webinar.
We will create like questions and answers,
because you guys asked a lot of interesting questions,
and I think we can create
one pager with your questions and our answers.
So it would be more available for you for moving forward.
Thank you everybody for joining us.
Thank you Michal. Thank you very much Alex.
Thank you so much.
Thank you Tony. Thank you Alex.